Why not much love for Blue Lantern Modules

[Fleggy]

Been going through pics of a lot of set ups and noticed not much love for Blue Lantern stuff.

Modules like the Dwarf Star VC noise look awesome to me, the addition of an EQ is so useful. The Lunar Modulation VCO looks interesting too.

Is there any good reason that there is not much love for these? I am aware they are "copies" but they look to be damn good copies with useful improvements.

[ben_hex]

Same thoughts from me too, I've seen the Polivoks clone get some great feedback from matttech on here but not much else.

Dwarf Star seems to copy the Hexinverter VCNoize but add to it, and the Blue Lantern came out first I believe. Also aware of issues with the through zero FM stuff and circuit designs etc.

Still, love the look and odd bits of stuff I can find online.

[Summa]

Do a search and you'll find out that people think he's an asshole for ripping off other people's designs and doing some other shady stuff that started a lot of hating..

[negativspace]

After trying to steal from one of the pillars of our community and then telling the lot of us to fuck off when we called him on it, it's hard to express much love.

[Fleggy]

Do a search and you'll find out that people think he's an asshole for ripping off other people's designs and doing some other shady stuff that started a lot of hating..

I thought the answer might be something like this.

I'll look into it. Cheers

[Orbless]

Besides him ripping off others designs and generally being a dick, I have had time on a friend's rig that he bought of blue lantern several years ago. He bought a rack of blue lantern modules off him on ebay. The modules are poorly designed and the layout was not easy to work with in my opinion. I felt like they were not worth the (small) amount of money. These were older designs, before he was using circuit boards as panels etc.

[Fleggy]

After trying to steal from one of the pillars of our community and then telling the lot of us to fuck off when we called him on it, it's hard to express much love.

Forgive my ignorance.

Think I will steer clear and support more deserving manufactures.

[xonetacular]

Shady practices aside, just not well thought out layouts and sketchy build practices. I'll pass on ugly cramped PCB panels.

[A Dingleberry Monstrosity]

oh, and dont forget the threat of lawsuits being thrown around like panic frisbees just before this fine gentleman got caught.

As for the polyvoks, didnt scott get permission from the designer to do his? BL copied artwork, not just the design. He actually copied the artwork line for line and called it his own. No where on earth is that ok...


I don't understand why people even look in blue lanterns direction.

[Jaspo]

[Fleggy]

Shady practices aside, just not well thought out layouts and sketchy build practices. I'll pass on ugly cramped PCB panels.

Admittedly some of the bigger panels do look like a clusterfuck but most I kinda dig the design of. It would be more the build quality and the guy being a general dick that would put me off. The Dwarf Star is the only one I was seriously considering.

[negativspace]

Forgive my ignorance.

Of course; no animosity toward you for asking! You weren't here when it went down, and there was some editing and deleting of posts that went on so even checking the archives won't get you the "whole" story.

FWIW the situation was eventually resolved; BL dropped the offending design and Ian was ultimately satisfied. It'd be unfair to not mention that. But his dismissal of this community (and yes, the lawsuit-threats and vitriol directed at Muff behind the scenes) has left a bit of a bad taste around here.

[papercutnoise]

clusterfuck

This is the EXACT description I use to describe BL panels. He may have redeemed himself in some people's eyes but I will never ever ever buy a module who's layout is almost enough to enduce a migraine.

[drip.feed]

clusterfuck

This is the EXACT description I use to describe BL panels. He may have redeemed himself in some people's eyes but I will never ever ever buy a module who's layout is almost enough to enduce a migraine.

PM'd for Maths.

Only kidding...I'm 5U.

[papercutnoise]

clusterfuck

This is the EXACT description I use to describe BL panels. He may have redeemed himself in some people's eyes but I will never ever ever buy a module who's layout is almost enough to enduce a migraine.

PM'd for Maths.

Only kidding...I'm 5U.

Hahaha

To be honest, I never understood the confusion with the Maths panel. Still need to reference my Wogglebug manual now and again though! It's not even the graphics on the BL stuff that bothers me, it's the actual layouts.

[lm13700]

I just started my system and decided to get two Lunar Modulation Centers vco's, and the newer Spacemoth VCF. I emailed them and got fast responses on some of my questions. I like the line level converters that are on the newer designs. It really comes in handy.

I can only say positive things about my experiences with them, and the new toys i got from them.

[John Noble]

He actually copied the artwork line for line and called it his own. No where on earth is that ok...

Wow, that's amazing! Vladimir Kuzmin had the foresight decades ago to design a filter PCB which would fit into a Euro module?

You are full of fun "information" as usual, care to back it up?

[suboptimal]

I don't buy them chiefly because I have serious doubts about their build quality and the level of service I can expect if something goes awry. This is in part due to BL's horribly unprofessional behavior on the forum back in the day - I just don't want to deal with the guy. Mostly, though, I don't want shitty modules anywhere near my system that I've worked hard to build - the best costs no more.

During the TZVCO fiasco there was a compelling case made that BL was operating outside the ethical norms of the modular community, putting legalities aside. This is a pretty black mark, though one I might've been willing to put behind me had it been handled in a way that wasn't absurdly unprofessional and myopic.

[falafelbiels]

That is indeed bullshit

[ben_hex]

Whoah opened a right can of worms here.

Same as fleggy, I was completely ignorant to it all. Heard odd bits and bats but as I saw this thread thought I'd chip it to see what people said. I always search and have a good feel around before thinking abut parting with cash digging up all I can find on here.

I've had experience playing with the blue lantern through zero fm osc and although it was cramped it did sound good but no idea of the background behind it all.

As fleggy said, far better and more deserving places to part with cash it seems. Searching around this topic will make for some ligh bedtime reading later

[mafouka]

I'm starting to like this Blue Lantern villain

[andrewl0]

All negatives aside, I understand that this Blue Lantern fellow did love his mum.

[Bakeneko]

Dual post , apologies, site being dog slow.

cheers and regards

[Bakeneko]

Segueing from the Blue Lantern ZTVCO debacle, I'd like to see an Ian Fritz Euro Dual Teezer in the flesh. My dinner's gone cold waiting on that Bridechamber "coming July????" webpage.

[fisherking111]

<3 my green blue lantern THE MIX!

great 6 channel mixer, with master pot and ext input (which I feed my pitts 4 chan mixer out into)