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As per the discussion in the big "meta" malekko manual thread, this is a breakout for Richter Noisering manual and patch ideas. Discussions not specific to the Noisering might best be held in the meta manual thread (but don't overthink it). I'll update this post with a pointer to an assembled doc once it's in progress, status updates, etc.
[Update 10/22/2013]: Added panel guide mock.
[Update 10/18/2013]: Alternative source for the NR manual in the random reading list here.
[Update 8/23/2013]: Original 1200 series manual archived here.
Any and all input welcome and greatly appreciated.
Cheers!
-phil
Last edited by shady smiles on Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:24 pm, edited 3 times in total.
goiks wrote:clock externally in sync with your other stuff (or not), attenuate one of the outputs, send it through a quantizer and into the pitch input on an osc, turn change down and you have a loop of pitches. turn change up a bit to get some new values in the loop. attenuate to limit the range of notes. have fun! also, like the wogglebug, i find a whole range of uses by slowing it down.
dkcg wrote:One setting I like is putting the chance low, and the change high, send the outputs to frequency of whatever module (filter, oscillator, etc), clock out to whatever envelope or slew, and you get repeating phrases of CV voltage that repeat a few times and change, repeat some, change, etc. Once in a while you get a cool little melody, so it's great for finding melodic chaos that you may never repeat the same phrase again. Especially fun through a quantizer, I use a Miniwave or A-156.
Not audio, but I highly recommend trying the noisering as a control signal and see if it's for you.
Wobbly clocks:
porfiry wrote:The clock keeps perfectly fine time, unless you mess with the "ext rate" knob, either with or without something plugged into the clock input. Ext rate throws it off...it'll go along clocking smoothly and then occasionally spray out a cluster of faster pulses, then back to normal, dependent on the ext rate adjustment, of course. Set low, it makes a really pleasingly wobbly clock, just enough to take a little of the robotic edge off.
V/O tracking:
dude wrote:see, its funny. i couldn't get it to do the phase thing that was talked about but was easy to get 1v/o out of it.
i use and sh101 as my master keyboard. just sent the outgoing pitch cv from the sh101 into the clock in of the noisering. switch set to ext in, corresponding knob set to a little over three quarters counterclockwise. play.
Phased shift register:
J3RK wrote:
dude wrote:2. i want to get the phase sound like in the phased shift register demo on the wiard page. i tried to follow the instructions but couldn't get it. not sure where i went wrong. detailed instructions (that aren't quoting what has already been clearly stated)?
Is this the sort of thing you're talking about for #2?
If so, just patch a VCO into the Clock in jack, with the Ext Rate switch in the Up position. I have Chance full CW, but I'm not sure it matters. Turning the Change knob will do some interesting effects as you hear above... I just had Maths cycling the pitch up and down, so if you put something more interesting into it, I think you'd get some great results.
Chance/change feedback:
felix wrote:Try using the #2 output and having that control Change or Chance (best to use some attenuation on the signal too for more control). Don't overlook inputting your own Change signal too, the noisering will respond very differently when you're using something like an LFO, sequence, etc and not noise.
bouzoukijoe1 wrote:I just realized this patch I posted in the E340 thread might fit nicely here as an example of Noisering switching.
the patch uses a Noisering to switch between two channels on the A-152 and using a third channel as a "rest". when you attenuate the Noisering's output low enough, it will just randomly alternate between channels 1, 2, and 3 on the A-152. furthermore, each time the A-152 switches, it sends a gate from the digital outs which trigger the Quadra.
channels 1 and 2 in the A-152 take inputs from the E340's saw and sine outputs. so each time the Noisering sends a signal, you either hear a saw or a sine (through the WMD VCA). I also send the same Noisering signal out to the FM input of the E340.
Entrainer wrote:I've lately been using it to clock the Rene, clock into X.
Then leave Rene in default x/4 note mode. Plug NR 1 or 2
into Y position and X will scan left to right while Y will move
up and down in a pattern based upon the Noise Ring.
For more fun, mult the same 1 or 2 into Envelator decay
or X-Mix Z so the synth texture changes with the notes.
thiagozt wrote:I was also wondering about the Noisering + uScale combo. Do you find yourself attenuating or even inverting the Noisering a lot before going into the uScale?
I attenuate the Noisering prior to going into the uscale. Haven't tried inverting it.
keetz wrote:Yup, Noisering+att+uScale is killer, but even better is Noisering+Xmix+uScale. You can get even more control of the chaos
CarlosS wrote:
keetz wrote:... but even better is Noisering+Xmix+uScale...
I was just about to say that! Mixing an inverted copy of one of the Noisering outputs into itself is... excellent. Recommended to have at least an inverter nearby since the NR only outputs positive voltages.
NR + Xmix + Quantimator + O'Tool = yes.
Random^2 (NR + Wogglebug):
bodo wrote:Controlling the various CV ins with a Wogglebug is also great fun of course, because I find the WB more hands-on with its Range knobs, and its generous spacing of knobs, it's a combo I use very often.
I take those outs and pass them through my Doepfer A-156 dual quantizer. When it detects voltage changes the 156 fires off triggers. Set yerself up a kick and snare sound set or whatever else and you have some sweet rhythmic drum action.
Try the above with the noisering's 1 and 2 outs feeding the a156 through some attenuators, i use maths channels 2 +3, patch the a156 cv outs to two oscillator 1v/oct inputs. After listening for a while patch some lfos into the chance and change inputs of the noisering for some varying pattern maddness.
More chaos control (random distribution tweaks):
dequalsrxt wrote:
arfo wrote:
dualmono wrote:
arfo wrote:One problem I've found with attenuating the noisering outs is that (at least on mine) most of the values it spits out are near the extremes of its range. (It feels like it's mostly concentrated in the 0-2v & 8-10v areas.) So, when you attenuate, you still don't get an even distribution. If, for example, the signal was brought down to a 0-5v range, most of the values would be close to 0-1v & 4-5v. Is there any way to even out the distribution of the values within its own range?
Also, (and this is something I remember coming across in some thread I've been repeatedly unable to relocate) my noise ring seems to default to some kind of pattern (the SAME one) every now and then (too often), and it's too characteristic a pattern to ignore. Does anybody else get this behavior from their noisering? Can anything be done about it?
You should be able to narrow extreme CVs down with Maths.
Yeah, but that just squishes the overall range, it doesn't affect the distribution of values within that range, so it helps in a very approximate way - and I've been doing that aplenty - but I don't think it solves the "problem".
Figured out a simple patch with the xmix yesterday that helps with this distribution problem, just mult the NR out put to the x, y and z inputs of the xmix, so it's crossfading between the lower and higher values, now you can attenuate the higher values while leaving the lower ones open. Hope that makes sense.
I've normally played with sending it a trigger with the knob turned mostly down so that it would speed up a bit.
Last night i decided to to plug in the the -out of the envelator with it set to looping with a delay. And all of a sudden then the noisering was hit with the negative voltage it slowed down and it was awesome!
The noisering is the main clock being multed and going into a my rene, timetable and a160/a161. The noisering is being feed a negative envelope from Maths. You can hear the clock slowing down as the noisering is hit with negative voltage. Triggers from everthing else are going into my Drum Dokta
forget everything you know about sound, then turn the synth on. You can thank me later - slow_riot
infradead wrote:
Last night i decided to to plug in the the -out of the envelator with it set to looping with a delay. And all of a sudden then the noisering was hit with the negative voltage it slowed down and it was awesome!
Why do you have to be so "negative"
Cool idea! Coming from Buchla land (0-10V typically), I sometimes forget about using negative voltages to get things done.
the doepfer min/max a-172 is extremely useful for using the noisering with or without a quantizer.
a patch mentioned above about scaling described how to use the xmix for this, but the xmix has better things to do.
set an offset voltage to the highest voltage range you want the noisering to reach in one input and noisering 1/2 in another - the voltages will still hit lower frequencies that it would get reduced with attenuation. by increasing or decreasing offset you are essentially "fading" different parts in/out.
MIN --> output.
(the MAX output is the same as the OR function on a maths - http://www.doepfer.de/A172.htm the graphic on the 172 page is a good illustration pointing to their differences).
172 also sounds great at audio-rates, especially with a noisering.
with a uScale you can sort of achieve this as well by not selecting higher notes, but the highest selected note on the keyboard scale will play more frequently.
wavehead wrote:the doepfer min/max a-172 is extremely useful for using the noisering with or without a quantizer. ...
Nice! I've been thinking a lot about MIN/MAX in the context of the upcoming 4ms SISM and it hadn't occurred to me to use it for taming the noisering. Can't wait to try it out!
z3r01 wrote:Hey shady smiles, not sure if anyone posted this already, but I've got a link to the Wiard NoiseRing manual, and it's applicable to the Euro version:
Never had a problem accessing the link, so hope this helps.
Thanks! I've got that in my bookmarks but I added a link above for everyone's enjoyment. That manual's a gold-mine and prime fodder for a euro-fied version. I'm working on an AO manual now but hope to get to this one soon after.
I don't want to abuse this thread/topic but i have a particular technical question - maybe somebody here can answer that question.
On the flow-chart you can see an inverter where the eighth Bit is coming out as Old Data.
My question is: what is J12? Does the Inversion happens always or only sometimes - if sometimes: when?
My experiments showed that the inversion doubles the length of the bit-row. Unhappily i've never seen a Noisering - i cant' testify that...
At the moment i am programming some 8bit stuff in Max/MSP to virtualize some Modules - like Divider, Multiplier, Shift-Register, Random Generator, etc.. My inspirations are modules like the Noisering, Rotating Clock Divider a.o. - just to let you know why i am asking that…
It's a jumper. You can select between those two modes of operation. And you're right, it doubles the length of the sequence by giving you the bit-row followed by its inverse.
smrl wrote:It's a jumper. You can select between those two modes of operation. And you're right, it doubles the length of the sequence by giving you the bit-row followed by its inverse.
Oh - thanks a lot for the detailed answer! Also, i'm quite a bit proud because the programming seems to be correct!
The answer comes in perfect timing! Shortly after my question (november) i had to send both audio-interfaces from Germany to Florida - They've just arrived back home and i'll soon be able to continue programming that stuff....
Does anyone have an up-to-date manual? The archive.org one got removed by a new robots.txt, and the old one is... well, old. I'm having a hard time understanding what the Noisering is/does.
Footkerchief wrote:Does anyone have an up-to-date manual? The archive.org one got removed by a new robots.txt, and the old one is... well, old. I'm having a hard time understanding what the Noisering is/does.
Bump because I got one and am more curious about how to really open this bad boy up.
