[IN STOCK] [Mute expander p.22] L-1 VC Stereo Mixer.

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[IN STOCK] [Mute expander p.22] L-1 VC Stereo Mixer.

Post by L-1 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:18 pm

Detailed info on my site:

Stereo mixer: http://l-1.su/StereoMixer.html


Mute knobs expander: http://l-1.su/Mute.html



I made shopping cards. You need to visit 3 shops: Mouser, Samtec and Smallbear (or Tayda if you use another knobs). Samtec has good gold-platted connectors for very good price.

MOUSER SHOPPING CART. MERCHANDISE TOTAL: $130.56 (USD)

https://eu.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Pr ... b989cf9ae3

SAMTEC SHOPPING CART. MERCHANDISE TOTAL: $8.38 (USD)

http://l-1.su/images/stereomixer/Samtec_card.jpg

SMALLBEAR SHOPPING CARD. MERCHANDISE TOTAL: $25.95 (USD)

http://l-1.su/images/stereomixer/Smallb ... 20Cart.htm



Alternative to Mouser may be Farnell but more expensive and no jacks:

FARNELL SHOPPING CARD. MERCHANDISE TOTAL: €160.75 (EUR)

http://l-1.su/images/stereomixer/Farnel ... l_card.htm



Alternative to Smallbear may be Tayda, cheaper but no knobs:

Buy 10 these potentiometers. MERCHANDISE TOTAL: $12.40 (USD)

http://www.taydaelectronics.com/potenti ... b-9mm.html


Alternative source for jacks is Erthenvar:

http://erthenvar.com/store/eurodiy/jack35mmv





No 5mm male-female standoffs were at Mouser. I've changed to inches metric. Now 6.3mm instead of 5mm, and 9.5mm instead of 10mm (a washer will be needed).

Not sure about big knob at Smallbear. It is fluted. Will it fit or no?

I've added grey synthpointer knobs because blacks are out of stock. They promised soon will be back..



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I've got working stereo channel for VC Stereo Mixer !!!

This is NOT a copy or clone. I've successfully made virtual simulation using LTSpice software, and now practice confirmed - it works correct!

I think can place 4-stereo channel module in 22HP using two stacked boards. Of course will be LED level meter. As usually resistors and ceramic caps will be 1206 SMD, other parts - through holes.

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Post by richard » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:26 pm

this is the one I'm waiting for :tu: :tu:
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Post by roglok » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:37 pm

does it have a headphone output?

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Post by msprigings » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:47 pm

quite cool Alex. Looking forward to seeing more.

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Post by L-1 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:57 pm

I think will be so. Similar to Cwejman, but what can I do - this is an ideal layout.

For headphones can only place a stereo jack near left out, which will duplicate main out. No place for phone amp and one more pot (dual).


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Post by sduck » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:53 pm

Does the volume level stay steady when you pan across the stereo outs? Most of these things tend to droop in the middle.
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Post by nickster » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:27 pm

Interesting, :hail: Will you be offering PCB's with pre-mounted smd parts as before?

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Post by keninverse » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:40 pm

Looks really nice...Any chance you could add SMD pads for the tempcos? I don't think the panasonics are available in 2k values so maybe two spots for 1Ks?

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Post by richard » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:43 pm

I'd wonder about grouping the audio and CV inputs together? And the two outputs? I've never really liked the way the Cwejman was laid out, I'd rather have similar things in the same place which I find easier to see and also works better for multing.

You have a space as well - could there be any sense in a mono output? I guess not, or a second out CV? Thinking on my feet here...
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Post by roglok » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:10 am

Cool project, Aleksei!

I have to agree with Richard though - the jack placement feels rather unintuitive... how about something along these lines:

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One column for each channel, stereo outs in the center.
Personally I'd prefer 1/4 jacks for L & R outputs...

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Post by wavehead » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:17 am

love cwejman style and think the similarity in layout is great (not as keen on the font you are using but who cares).

like sduck mentioned, i am curious about the pan circuit and whether it is constant power or just linear VCAs?

you will prob have a lot of people interested in this one for euro... everyone is always trying to find something like this that isn't cwejman price.

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Post by NV » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:19 am

Great to see another solid stereo mixer, particularly with so much CV control and detailed metering. The larger knob for "Out" is a nice touch.

That being said, I'm a big fan of roglok's interpretation - having all of the inputs and Left/Right outputs grouped in such a way makes for a very intuitive design, as well as having a nice aesthetic appearance.

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Post by L-1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:12 am

I made linear panorama at this prototype, it's obtained -5.3dB at the center.

I modeled -4.5dB at the center, it easy to make with one resistor change, but in this case dependence will be a bit curved.

These are shots from my simulation. Will record a sample soon.

roglok - good idea, will do.



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Post by ringstone » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:16 am

sduck wrote:Does the volume level stay steady when you pan across the stereo outs? Most of these things tend to droop in the middle.
I think this might have been what this thread was about:

viewtopic.php?p=1131411&highlight=#1131411

Have been looking forward to this module, even more excited now if there's going to be a headphone output! :nana:

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Post by richard » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:20 am

roglok wrote:Cool project, Aleksei!

I have to agree with Richard though - the jack placement feels rather unintuitive... how about something along these lines:

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One column for each channel, stereo outs in the center.
Personally I'd prefer 1/4 jacks for L & R outputs...
yep, I much prefer this
roglok wrote:Personally I'd prefer 1/4 jacks for L & R outputs...
So would I, this would always be an output module in my use. It would be nice to at least leave space in the design for 1/4 to be an option
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Post by L-1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:25 am

No place for 1/4 jacks, sorry. They are too deep. Overall module deep I plan 31mm with backpanel.

I think can install a CMOY headphone amp but without separate volume pot.
So will be phones stereo jack with volume control from main big knob.

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Post by mOBiTh » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:50 am

lookin good alex!

would be great to have level meters/indicators for individual channels if poss.

also, will all signals be available on a header on the back of the pcb please?

this will enable easy custom break out panels for things like 1/4" jacks, d-type connectors for sound cards, direct post-vca outputs for each channel (multitracking signals), daisy chaining multiple units, etc etc



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Post by L-1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:05 am

No possibility to make separate outputs and level meters for each channel, because channels mixed just after VCA chips before current-to-voltage converter opamp. It's for minimizing signal way and saving better sound quality.

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Post by richard » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:32 am

I'd be delighted with this. And even without a pot the headphone output is a nice bonus.
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Post by fluxmonkey » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:28 am

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i was about to ask for this... INs at the bottom for less cable clutter if just using as a straight non-CV mixer.

feature-creep i know, but what i REALLY want is this plus an VCable effects send. for now, maybe room for a header for a future expansion board?

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Post by roglok » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:44 am

I've always created my own panels, also for L-1 projects (although Aleksei's designs kick ass - blame OCD). Anyway, here's how I'm planning to squeeze 1/4" Jacks and an additional headphone pot into 20HP:

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Post by hexinverter » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:46 am

WHOA! Nice one Aleksei! Count me in for some PCBs. :yay:
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Post by roglok » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:46 am

Alex, can you manage fit the CMOY amp on the main PCB or will this be extra?

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Post by L-1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:48 am

An examination sample. I modulate PAN with sine and triangle LFO.
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