Tiptop Z2040 24db 4-Pole Volt Controlled Lowpass Filter

apfEID · Post by **apfEID** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:06 pm

We are happy to announce our next module in the Z series: The Z2040 A 24db 4-Pole Voltage Controlled Lowpass Filter, an implementation based on the original US patent of the SSM2040 filter chip used in the Prophet 5 Rev2 synthesizer. The Z2040 also adds a lot of extra features on top of the original 4-pole discrete OTA core allowing extra modulation capability, extended flexibility and control over this deep cut-off low pass filtering core. The Z2040 is capable of producing thick, overdriven grit as well as warm, smooth sweeps. The Z2040 will be available through Analogue Heaven and Schniders Beuro starting June 2009.

http://www.tiptopaudio.com/

3vcos · Post by **3vcos** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:15 pm

thats tits

dubchild · Post by **dubchild** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:23 pm

Yeah, if this is anything like the MOTM 440, I am in for one!! The one filter I really miss since getting out of dotcom/motm format years ago.

Malekko · Post by **Malekko** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:25 pm

YES PLEASE!!!

paults · Post by **paults** » Thu May 07, 2009 11:36 pm

Let's hope for everyone's sake it is NOT "like" a MOTM-440.

noisesource · Post by **noisesource** » Thu May 07, 2009 11:56 pm

having played with the prototype i can say this is an AMAZING module.

i've had the opportunity to play Robert Rich's MOTM 440 on a few occasions and always loved the sound & was jealous of the MOTM users for it.

the Z2040 was making my sub gut-fuck the hell out of my mid section (sorry for the crud mental image, but it was a necessity) while testing it out.

the overdrive capabilities, the VC amenities, the compensation in the resonance so there is no volume drop when the resonance peak it brought up higher: all thumbs up in my opinion.

REwire · Post by **REwire** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:17 am

noisesource wrote:....the compensation in the resonance so there is no volume drop when the resonance peak it brought up higher: )

That's what I wanna hear! Any more volume dropping resonance filters can cut themselves out of existence. Hope it's narrow too. A105 killer?

Mr White · Post by **Mr White** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:40 am

oh fuuuuuuuuuck!

now that I proudly filled all my case! (of course also the planned one)

It will never end......

I hate you all

2012 · Post by **2012** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:14 am

apfEID wrote:
an implementation based on the original US patent of the SSM2040 filter chip used in the Prophet 5 Rev2 synthesizer.
http://www.tiptopaudio.com/

Based on,but will never sound like a 2040

the (excellent) motm 440 also does not sound like an 2040 (its less perfect when turning up the resonance) otherwise its comes close but real 2040 is a bit tighter.(i did real A/B tests)

the ssm2040 is realy top.

so ppl don't thing u have an 2040 sound when buying any of these..

+ the rev 2 is not a good reference to compare a stand alone 2040 'clone' ,a RSF kobol would be better

noisesource · Post by **noisesource** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:39 am

your always so negative.

i think that's what attracts me to you.

2012 · Post by **2012** » Fri May 08, 2009 6:12 am

noisesource wrote:your always so negative.

i think that's what attracts me to you.

depends for who,for the potential buyer not,its just information

I owned MOTM440,P5 rev2,RSF kobol, so i know what i say here..

Veqtor · Post by **Veqtor** » Fri May 08, 2009 7:49 am

Hmm, I want to see a panel already! If it's just a 4-pole lowpass, then I wonder if it's really so much an exciting product...

There are so many 4PLP filters already, do we really need another one?

2012 · Post by **2012** » Fri May 08, 2009 7:56 am

Veqtor wrote:Hmm, I want to see a panel already! If it's just a 4-pole lowpass, then I wonder if it's really so much an exciting product...

There are so many 4PLP filters already, do we really need another one?

if its as good as the 440 its a higly recomended product for the euro-modular user

fonik · Post by **fonik** » Fri May 08, 2009 8:05 am

Veqtor wrote:There are so many 4PLP filters already, do we really need another one?

i don't know if we need one, but we maybe want one.
why? IMHO just because filters can sound/respond different, even two 12dB SV VCFs may sound/respond different due to different components values.
and i bet this one will have it's unique sound, too!?

soundsubs · Post by **soundsubs** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:12 am

chakka see.
chakka want.

surachai · Post by **surachai** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:17 am

Veqtor wrote:
There are so many 4PLP filters already, do we really need another one?

I hope you realize that no one on this forum needs anything. We're a bunch of wanters. WANT. I will has.

sascha.victoria · Post by **sascha.victoria** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:39 am

[/quote]

Based on,but will never sound like a 2040

the (excellent) motm 440 also does not sound like an 2040 (its less perfect when turning up the resonance) otherwise its comes close but real 2040 is a bit tighter.(i did real A/B tests)
[/quote]

There's no way you could do a proper A/B test. You'd have to put the cloned filter into a Prophet. The sound of the Prophet or any synth for that matter is the sum of its parts. You'll never get 1 part of a synth to sound like the synth in the modular world.

Ultimately I don't think people should be too worried if it sounds like what its copying. If it sounds good it sounds good. If it doesn't it doesn't.

ignatzthemouse · Post by **ignatzthemouse** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:00 am

surachai wrote:
Veqtor wrote:
There are so many 4PLP filters already, do we really need another one?
I hope you realize that no one on this forum needs anything. We're a bunch of wanters. WANT. I will has.

People tell me I'm a massive wanter all the time.
They seem to have trouble pronouncing it though.

surachai · Post by **surachai** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:12 am

People tell me I'm a massive wanter all the time.
They seem to have trouble pronouncing it though.

You having laugh? Is she having a laugh?

fonik · Post by **fonik** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:59 am

sascha.victoria wrote:Based on,but will never sound like a 2040

the (excellent) motm 440 also does not sound like an 2040 (its less perfect when turning up the resonance) otherwise its comes close but real 2040 is a bit tighter.(i did real A/B tests)

IMHO even a ssm2040 must not necessarily sound like an ssm2040. at least for the ssm2044 the sound varies with different capacitor values as observed by happy DIY builders...

There's no way you could do a proper A/B test. You'd have to put the cloned filter into a Prophet.

or other synthesizers that used this IC.

Ultimately I don't think people should be too worried if it sounds like what its copying. If it sounds good it sounds good. If it doesn't it doesn't.

here you got me! i am absolutely with you here. i even believe it is like wine: it is also a question of anticipation and reception - a very personal experience...

mono-poly · Post by **mono-poly** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:08 pm

sascha.victoria wrote:

Based on,but will never sound like a 2040

the (excellent) motm 440 also does not sound like an 2040 (its less perfect when turning up the resonance) otherwise its comes close but real 2040 is a bit tighter.(i did real A/B tests)
[/quote]

There's no way you could do a proper A/B test. You'd have to put the cloned filter into a Prophet. The sound of the Prophet or any synth for that matter is the sum of its parts. You'll never get 1 part of a synth to sound like the synth in the modular world. quote]

What about the RSF Kobol?
That got the 2040 as a patcahble module.
So i guess comparing them is kinda possible.

thetwlo · Post by **thetwlo** » Fri May 08, 2009 1:54 pm

E-mu also used the ssm2040 in the later modulars, and the modular DIY kits/populated boards they sold.
I have two modular cabinets that seem to share a bloodline some pcbs with the Emu.
So I have 5 real, aged 2040 filters I could compare it to.
Probably my favorite filter.

Sadly, since they say "low pass" I assume they won't be bringing out the other modes available with the design.

Veqtor · Post by **Veqtor** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:59 pm

Bringing out the individual poles would make it somewhat of an interesting module...

mono-poly · Post by **mono-poly** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:00 pm

They should make a version witch works like the expander.
So all slopes are possibel with a morph function controled by cv.

wetterberg · Post by **wetterberg** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:01 pm

I must say I really like the feature set of this, at least what little I have seen! And I really do think that it might make its way to my case one day, along with a z3k

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