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I was wrong (still am)

Post by output01x » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:22 pm

Hi, my name is Steve and this is my first post on this most excellent board.

I started my :party: MODULAR JOURNEY :party: about a year ago after watching far too many DivKid, Mylar Melodies, Lightbath, and Molten Music YouTube videos. I did tons of "research" (watching more videos, not RTFM) and thought I knew enough to purchase a skiff and some fancy modules. I was finally gonna bleep bloop :hyper:

I also had been reading a ton of threads and posts on this forum and saw a lot of common advise repeatedly handed out:
  • You can never have enough VCAs
  • Invest in a bigger case than you think you need
  • Don't just buy fancy sound modules, get more utilities
  • Learn how to create sounds with the modules you have instead of buying more modules
  • Filters add the character your sounds need
  • Take time to learn your modules before buying more
  • Decide what you want to do with your music and plan every module around that goal
  • Avoid tightly-packed modules that don't have a lot of wiggle room
I listened to all of this but I neglected to properly understand or follow much of it. I ignored or compromised on many of the aforementioned pieces of advise. I justified ignoring the wisdom of those that came before me because I was special, or my situation was different, or because I knew more better regarding a topic I knew little about.

I quickly expanded into a second skiff and bought more voices and not nearly enough utilities. I bought a filter and rarely ever used it, let alone modulated it. I bought enough VCAs to modulate each voice in my rack, but not enough to modulate my modulators.

I was wrong.

I've made a lot of mistakes over the last year and I expect I'll continue to make more going forward. But for now, I know I have some changes to make. I need to buy a proper case (with good power supply). I know I need more utilities, VCAs, and filters. I need to better explore my modules and the interactions between them. And most of all, I need to RTFM.

Thank you MW for all of the advice I should have listened to. Thank you for being such a positive, encouraging, and helpful community :tu:

Steve
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Foghorn » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm

Exit now while you still can,
before you make the same mistake that I made and end up spending $40,000 in two years like I did.
.
P.S. Maths is overrated. :hmm:
Wow just $35K more and I could use the :75:
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by LunaticSound » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:44 pm

Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm
Exit now while you still can,
before you make the same mistake that I made and end up spending $40,000 in two years like I did.
.
P.S. Maths is overrated. :hmm:
Wow just $35K more and I could use the :75:
I only spent 8k in two years and I am satifisfied enough to not buy anymore gear this year.

Do you know, what the difference is between you and me? I think, Maths is even better than people say.

:razz:

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by LunaticSound » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:45 pm

And Steve, sounds like you are the right kind of wrong. :D

A glorious future awaits you.

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Kent » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:47 pm

:party: Championship 1st Post. Welcome! :party:

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Kawouddd » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:49 pm

LunaticSound wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:44 pm
Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm
Exit now while you still can,
before you make the same mistake that I made and end up spending $40,000 in two years like I did.
.
P.S. Maths is overrated. :hmm:
Wow just $35K more and I could use the :75:
I only spent 8k in two years and I am satifisfied enough to not buy anymore gear this year.

Do you know, what the difference is between you and me? I think, Maths is even better than people say.

:razz:
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Foghorn » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:50 pm

LunaticSound wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:44 pm
Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm
Exit now while you still can,
before you make the same mistake that I made and end up spending $40,000 in two years like I did.
.
P.S. Maths is overrated. :hmm:
Wow just $35K more and I could use the :75:
I only spent 8k in two years and I am satifisfied enough to not buy anymore gear this year.

Do you know, what the difference is between you and me? I think, Maths is even better than people say.

:razz:
The big difference is that I had just inherited a bunch of money.
Then I spent it all on Eurorack (and other audio crap)
.
what
no motorcycles?
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Agawell » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:21 pm

you have now reached step 2 in our 12 step program
Modular Audio and Video Synthesis on Instagram

Utility modules are the inexpensive, dull polish that makes the expensive, shiny modules actually shine!!!

an oscillator is an oscillator - utilities are possibilities

choose the case to fit the modules - not the modules to fit the case!!!

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Agawell » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:22 pm

but seriously thanks for posting this - hopefully some one else starting out will read it and take note!
Modular Audio and Video Synthesis on Instagram

Utility modules are the inexpensive, dull polish that makes the expensive, shiny modules actually shine!!!

an oscillator is an oscillator - utilities are possibilities

choose the case to fit the modules - not the modules to fit the case!!!

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:24 pm

welxome to the board
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by akavalve » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:47 pm

Agawell wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:21 pm
you have now reached step 2 in our 12 step program
12 steps seems limiting, but I guess with some modulation...

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by EATyourGUITAR » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:07 pm

Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm
P.S. Maths is overrated. :hmm:
depends on the use case. it is not for everybody.
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Saladolar » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:15 pm

I could have written the same post (and I'm still learning a lot) but I'm changing my mind about this :
Take time to learn your modules before buying more
I would say that's kinda true and wise BUT I realise now I should have filled a bigger rack faster. I should have thought about "complete voice" rather than about "modules", if it makes sense.
If I started again, I would build around a one-brand row of modules (mutable, intellijel, doepfer, make noise, wmd...) : that makes things easier, I think.

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by AnalogDigits » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:08 pm

output01x wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:22 pm
Hi, my name is Steve and this is my first post on this most excellent board.

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I also had been reading a ton of threads and posts on this forum and saw a lot of common advise repeatedly handed out:
  • You can never have enough VCAs
  • Invest in a bigger case than you think you need
  • Don't just buy fancy sound modules, get more utilities
  • Learn how to create sounds with the modules you have instead of buying more modules
  • Filters add the character your sounds need
  • Take time to learn your modules before buying more
  • Decide what you want to do with your music and plan every module around that goal
  • Avoid tightly-packed modules that don't have a lot of wiggle room
Amazing first post! Well done, and quite brave, 'round this place!

All great advice.

I would add (similar to what others said):
Have two hard-and-fast rules before deciding to buy a module:
1) Read and understand the manual. Really. If the manual seems cryptic, the module will probably feel that way, too. And if I can't make it through the manual, do I really want/need this module? Or is it just the new shiny?
2) Watch enough videos on the module that you have a sense of how it works, and how interacting with it is likely to feel. Imagine using it...
  • Is it too menu-divey? (then don't get it!)
  • Does it have a design that seems odd or clunky or forced? Then you probably won't like it.
  • Layout: is there enough finger space for your preferences? Do jack positions/cables make it difficult to reach knobs/buttons?
  • Does it have too many combined-button combinations, obscuring important functionality? Might not enjoy that.
Following these two rules (in addition to the great list of 'standard MW warnings' you started this thread with) has served me well: I've only bought one stinker and two 'meh' modules in my time with modular.

Thanks for sharing your experience (and advice) with the board.

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Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm

P.S. Maths is overrated. :hmm:
MATHS is a great module, and yes, it IS overrated. Still good though, and beginners can learn a lot playing with one. And people often outgrow it!

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by SquidInSquidInk » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:14 pm

cause:
Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm
...Maths is overrated...
effect:
Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm
...spending $40,000 in two years like I did...

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by djdiscord » Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:55 pm

Oh get over yourselves. Maths is great and over rated. Ya bunch a damn hipsters.


Welcome to the forum! Always good to know that being wrong and continuing to learn will take you far!

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by d2ba » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:04 am

Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm
Exit now while you still can,
before you make the same mistake that I made and end up spending $40,000 in two years like I did.
.
P.S. Maths is overrated. :hmm:
Wow just $35K more and I could use the :75:
Surely not a total loss of $40,000 --you could have recouped most of the loss by selling the modules and scaling down?

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by khae » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:32 am

Heya!
Invest in a bigger case than you think you need
About that: I also just started out with Eurorack. To me, the kind of case I wanted was one of the major hurdles, because... well, to me most of the cases seemed pretty expensive for basically being a housing with steel rails and a power supply. Having this advice in mind, I went for the Behringer Eurorack Go (which I still like very much) with 2 * 140 HP, which in turn felt empty for the handful of modules I could afford.

This, in turn, made me buy the Behringer Sequencer 960 (56 HP) and the 962 Sequential Switch (8 HP), that made the large holes in my case seem not so empty anymore. And while I am currently still happy with the sequencer, I just know for a fact that I will switch it out for something smaller and more versatile at some point in the future.

I guess what I want to say is: do invest in a big case, but don't feel pressured to fill it with oversized modules. ;)

Having said that, I am already planning one more small case for trying DIY modules, because I am slightly afraid that my sub-par soldering skills might fry something expensive one day. And maybe another case in Kosmo format, if ordering from the UK becomes sensible again at some point in the far future. :hihi:

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Grumble » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:48 am

I invested about 300 euro, but designed (almost) and built everything myself.
And I am far from ready (a modular synth is never...) but that is where the fun is for me, the designing and building of modules.
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And this is where I'm at...
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Foghorn » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:17 am

d2ba wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:04 am
Surely not a total loss of $40,000 --you could have recouped most of the loss by selling the modules and scaling down?
You're correct.

Now my spresdsheet says
2016 Total $20,712.24
2017 Total $14,410.24
2018 Total $21,719.08
2019 Total $270.38
2020 Total $762.84

So it seems that I have increased my yearly spending as of late. (by $492)
Oh, and in 2021...Blades, Scales, Bloom, Pulsar and Planar 2, but all bought with proceeds of sold modules.
.
*However this includes a bunch of sound system equipment of which I no longer have separate records of.
Plus the 2016 total includes stuff from 2014 and 2015
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Yes Powder » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:37 am

There are two types of people in Eurorack:

One type thinks Maths is overrated

The other type realizes that Maths is not made of unicorn penis, but nonetheless recognizes it as an effective collection of functions, ergonomically laid out and logically normalled in a way would be difficult to replicate at at its given price and size using individual modules— and that not everyone has the DIY skills to put together a Befaco Rampage for cheaper.

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by redlester » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:40 am

output01x wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:22 pm
  • You can never have enough VCAs
Great first post. As someone who also started quite recently I would also add to the above that, in my opinion, you can never have enough envelopes. I say this because I currently don't have enough! :mrgreen:

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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Polyterative » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:09 pm

Foghorn wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:29 pm
Exit now while you still can,
before you make the same mistake that I made and end up spending $40,000 in two years like I did.
.
P.S. Maths is overrated. :hmm:
Wow just $35K more and I could use the :75:
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by vidret » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:10 pm

Yes Powder wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:37 am
There are two types of people in Eurorack:

One type thinks Maths is overrated

The other type realizes that Maths is not made of unicorn penis, but nonetheless recognizes it as an effective collection of functions, ergonomically laid out and logically normalled in a way would be difficult to replicate at at its given price and size using individual modules— and that not everyone has the DIY skills to put together a Befaco Rampage for cheaper.
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Re: I was wrong (still am)

Post by Nutritional Zero » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:26 pm

AnalogDigits wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:08 pm
1) Read and understand the manual. Really. If the manual seems cryptic, the module will probably feel that way, too. And if I can't make it through the manual, do I really want/need this module? Or is it just the new shiny?
Likewise, if the manual is poor enough that you wouldn't print it out and read it on the toilet, don't buy the module. Documentation starts at the beginning of the project, not as a side-effect of its completion, and indicates a clear-minded, thoughtful manufacturer.

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