Which Euro envelopes sound like Roland (System 100)?

[Entrainer]

Inspired by the filter thread, I thought I'd ask a question that's been causing slight loss of sleep and rapid browsing of the internets...

I'm looking for a great envelope to round out my system. I'm kind of particular, in that I really, really love the round sound of the System 100's envelope.

I read online that the MFB Dual ADSR is more angular than the Roland.

I'm thinking that the Cwejman CTG-VC may be the a good choice because of the adjustable decay slope.

It's a pretty expensive experiment though. Has anyone used the CTG-VC? Any other options?

thx-

[Scaff]

Cwejman ADSR-VC2 is the solution for this job!

[chinard]

I know that the Analogue Solutions EG-02 is directly based on the System 100 M-140 module (2ENV-LFO).
I am pretty sure that the EG-01 and Vostok envelope are also based on the same schematics.

Personaly i didnt really like the envelopes on the EG-02 that much, ended up getting far better use out of my Cwejman ADSR-VC2.

[Entrainer]

Two votes for the ADSR-VC2. Looks like a "better" bargain than the CTG-VC... two envelopes for the price of one.

Chinard-

The dissing of the EG-02 has made you fair game. You have been designated a SP. Please report to your auditor for ethics check.

[chinard]

huh?


EDIT: ok i get it now
(its a scientology joke)

[stretta]

If you're looking for the percussive arpeggiator sound of the Jupiter 4 or Jupiter 8, the ADSR-VC2 brings it.

I wouldn't want it as my *only* envelope, but it does the short end of the spectrum better than anything else I've used.

[Navs]

I love my ADSR-VC2 but, if I understand you right, you actually want something sluggish and not so snappy.

Try Doepfer's A-141 reminds me a lot of the envelopes on my Rolands.

Edit: what am I thinking of? Get the CTG-VC. It's fantastic.

@Stretta: your Cwejman videos were what turned me on to the ADSR-VC2, thanks! I know you have often referred to the fact that they are extremely percussive. At some stage, Wowa revised ADSR-VC2. This affected the maximum manual time and changed the VC to summing inputs. If you have a rev.1 (copper back-plate, coloured rather than clear/ bright LEDs), I think this can be changed.

[Thonk Support]

Are there any Euro envelopes other than Cwejman CTG-CV which let you hold the peak of the attack before going to the decay section?

[stretta]

At some stage, Wowa revised ADSR-VC2. This affected the maximum manual time and changed the VC to summing inputs. If you have a rev.1 (copper back-plate, coloured rather than clear/ bright LEDs), I think this can be changed.

Really? WANT! All of the above!

[baboo]

Are there any Euro envelopes other than Cwejman CTG-CV which let you hold the peak of the attack before going to the decay section?

MFB dual adsr has a hold phase between attack and decay if that is what you are asking

[Soundwave]

by the way, i'm waiting since 4 months for a Cwejman ADSR-VC2 ...

[Mr White]

yeah, ADSR2-vc sounds delightfully dynamic!
maybe similar to the system 100

[Karl Jeffers]

Imo the envelopes of the system 100 are the weak point of the synth. They are not realy snappy and dynamic at all. I have 2x (101+102)

I do have RS60 and A-143-2 envelopes. I use them all the time together with my system 100 instead of the internal envelopes.

If you want less snappy envelopes, turn up the attack a bit.

[Navs]

Imo the envelopes of the system 100 ... are not realy snappy and dynamic at all.

My point exactly.

If you want 'vintage' or 'fat', you want a soft, rounded envelope.