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Shades or Triatt?

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Triatt
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... begin! :hihi:

OK, yeah. I'd like to use a small attenuverting mixer and am stuck between deciding for the Mutable Instruments Shades and the Intellijel Triatt.

Shades:
+ Looks better
+ LEDs!
+ Better switch positioning

Triatt:
+ 3way switch for for finer control of negative offsets/polarizing
+ Cheaper
+ Better availability

The Shades is advertised as being very precise (low tolerance resistors, low offset/low noise/low distortion opamps) which is why I'm tending towards it but the 3way switch on the Triatt is quite a big argument.

Has anyone been able to compare both?
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FINISH HIM!!!

Ok. Srsly. I'm tossed up between these two, as well.

Prolly will go with the TriAtt...though I do like the MI aesthetic quite a bit.
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The attenuation on the Shades sounds way warmer to my ears than the Triatt, no doubt.
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SSF Mixmode!
It's got an extra channel, same hp, and a mixer.
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stickmann wrote:The attenuation on the Shades sounds way warmer to my ears than the Triatt, no doubt.
Warm attenuation? :hmm:
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waveglider wrote:It's got an extra channel, same hp, and a mixer.
Shades & Triatt have a mixer, too.
The Mixmode costs twice as much, has more than twice the power consumption, has no offset generator and looks fiddly with all those jacks mixed between the knobs. I have a BiMix built this way and it's not much fun to twist the knobs there with the cables hanging around nearby.
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stickmann wrote:The attenuation on the Shades sounds way warmer to my ears than the Triatt, no doubt.
:lol:
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waveglider wrote:SSF Mixmode!
It's got an extra channel, same hp, and a mixer.
Triatt (newest revision) and Shades both mix. Mixmode doesn't generate offsets on empty channels.

Mixmode is awesome though.
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I’ve been finding Shades really useful, and have been using it a lot. I used to use CV Tools for this purpose, and that is still the daddy of them all in my opinion as it is SO flexible and adds a useful Slew Limiter into the bargain. Obviously it’s a bit bigger though..

Personally I find LEDs on such devices really useful, and that is what led (no pun intended!) me to Shades as a smaller CV Tools replacement

Still keeping hold of CV Tools though, as my setup is constantly evolving and it may well work its way back into the rig at some point.

It also does a really nice job at saturating oscs when driven hard, and you can daisy-chain an osc from one channel into the next to achieve even more drive. wasn’t something I expected when I bought it, but has been pretty cool. Its wide gain range does make it a little bit hard to set levels on though, as its really clean portion - when used for audio - is between 12 o’clock and about 2 o’clock.

surprised it doesn’t get more love really... :despair:

They’re all solid performers though, and everyone should have at least one of them in their rig.

Another thing to consider is Manhattan Analog’s CVP - that gives you one channel of attenuvertion, along with a simultaneous offset (so, almost equivalent to 2 channels of TRIATT/ Shades/ CV Tools)....along with a really accurate slew limiter that doesn’t affect tuning of connected oscs, unlike some slew limiters.
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sonicwarrior wrote:
waveglider wrote:It's got an extra channel, same hp, and a mixer.
Shades & Triatt have a mixer, too.
The Mixmode costs twice as much, has more than twice the power consumption, has no offset generator and looks fiddly with all those jacks mixed between the knobs. I have a BiMix built this way and it's not much fun to twist the knobs there with the cables hanging around nearby.
BiMix - best module with a fatal flaw. I loved what it did an how it sounded, but the placing of the cables and knobs did not work at all for me. Good to see all these alternatives around nowadays. I'd jsut
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sonicwarrior wrote:
waveglider wrote:It's got an extra channel, same hp, and a mixer.
Shades & Triatt have a mixer, too.
The Mixmode costs twice as much, has more than twice the power consumption, has no offset generator and looks fiddly with all those jacks mixed between the knobs. I have a BiMix built this way and it's not much fun to twist the knobs there with the cables hanging around nearby.
BiMix - best module with a fatal flaw. I loved what it did an how it sounded, as well as the built quality, but the placing of the cables and knobs did not work at all for me. Good to see all these alternatives around nowadays.
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Post by bisquick »

glad to have found this thread. exactly the comparison I was looking for. :miley:
yeah; i'm not sure what warm attenuation would mean either, but if for some reason one of them colors the sound in some way (either due to a compressed transfer function, etc), I'd love to know. Anyone have knowledge of this?

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Post by Dogma »

Im 99% warm attenuation is a joke - no infact Im 100%.

I was in this position myself until the WMD/SSF attenuators came out - http://www.wmdevices.com/wmdssf.php

Theyre $70 - look cool too. Love that whole range actually - I should have bought 2 for sure
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Post by patilon »

between these two i´d prefer shades but decided to build a couple of fonitronik cascades as these have nearly the same functionality (kind of shades minus the switch) but only 4hp.
i use cv tools as well so far (great module!) but want to replace it with 2-3 cascades to have these more spread over the whole system.
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@patilon - thanks for the input.
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Btw. I ended up with two Shades. Didn't notice any coloration so far and really like the blinkenlights and colors on those.

The WMD/SSF attenuator for me is a step backwards as it looks like a clone of the Intellijel one that had too many control without enough space. The Shades/Triatt are a perfect compromise between space and feature set.
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@thelizard
"Mixmode doesn't generate offsets on empty channels"

Sorry, i'm not sure i understand this. Can someone explain?
Does this imply that there is noise introduced to the mixed output signal, or that you cannot use it as a constant value offset for output?

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bisquick wrote:@thelizard
"Mixmode doesn't generate offsets on empty channels"

Sorry, i'm not sure i understand this. Can someone explain?
Does this imply that there is noise introduced to the mixed output signal, or that you cannot use it as a constant value offset for output?

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On Shades and Triatt, if a channel does not have an input, you can use a channel to generate a DC offset. You can combine this with another signal to offset that signal (giving you offset/attenuate capabilities with two channels), or you can use it to simply generate a stable control voltage to send somewhere else in the system.

I frequently use manual offset generators to create manual gates.

The MixMode doesn't generate DC offsets on empty channels. The advantage to this is that you won't accidentally introduce DC offset into your mixes when you're not paying attention to the knobs. In other words, it's much better from a pure mixing standpoint. The disadvantage is less flexibility in the long run.
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smcumber wrote:Warm attenuation? :hmm:
bisquick wrote:yeah; i'm not sure what warm attenuation would mean either, but if for some reason one of them colors the sound in some way (either due to a compressed transfer function, etc), I'd love to know.
sonicwarrior wrote:Didn't notice any coloration so far
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Post by JohnLRice »

I'm actually favoring the SSF S.P.O right now (in my ModularGrid ponderings :hihi: ) It seems really capable and versatile in only 4HP.

http://www.steadystatefate.com/spo
S.P.O. is a polarizing scaler and offset generator. Up to two inputs can be summed into a single scaler/offset generator. The offset generator provides a DC voltage source for shifting signals into the positive or negative voltage region. The scaler provides a means of attenuating and polarizing (inverting) the applied signal. S.P.O. works with audio and control voltages (CV).
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this battle is too much for me

NC-17 for sure
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Post by Blairio »

I have Shades and a Triatt. Both are great mixers / attenuators, and I can't say that I hear any difference between them. The LEDs on Shades are really useful though, and I really like the MI aesthetic. Sometimes these choices just come down to availability. I wanted a second Triatt but would have had to wait a while, whereas the Shades was available at the time.

Another option for a 3 channel mixer / attenuator is the Pittsburgh modular Mix-Multi. It even has a couple of passive multis built in!

http://pittsburghmodular.com/mix-mult/
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Went for the shades.
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any new contenders? the triatt seems best to me as you also get the 3rd switch position of inverting attenuator. I'd also pick a robot logo to a goddess logo but ...
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