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My guess is none. It seems shortsighted to double down on vactrols in 2024, only to miss out on sales of new modules to an entire continent worth of customers. It’s a huge own goal. Developments have to be made and change is often a driver for new ideas.
Other companies have proved that vactrols are not needed to create wonderful sounding LPG’s, just the right design, done well. My SSG always hit’s the spot, I look forward to hearing more of the DXG and hopefully try one out.
Okay, stereo optomix without vactrols i guess. Currently my XPO centered case has an LXD, This might be useful... i hope to hear some more boingy slower release type sounds to know if i want one. Optomix sounded very clicky to me, i love the LXD i have. But i guess that's partly down to vactrol lottery and personal preference. The attack transient doesn't sound unpleasant, and i like the way it responded to fast trigger salvo's. Moar demo's plzz!
MossGarden wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:19 pm
My guess is none. It seems shortsighted to double down on vactrols in 2024, only to miss out on sales of new modules to an entire continent worth of customers. It’s a huge own goal. Developments have to be made and change is often a driver for new ideas.
Other companies have proved that vactrols are not needed to create wonderful sounding LPG’s, just the right design, done well. My SSG always hit’s the spot, I look forward to hearing more of the DXG and hopefully try one out.
Watch me get proved wrong
Or they could tell the EU to piss off and keep making the instruments they want to make, and not the ones bureaucrats tell them they can make.
clwilla wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:29 pm
Or they could tell the EU to piss off and keep making the instruments they want to make, and not the ones bureaucrats tell them they can make.
Yeah we did that a few years ago, hasn't proved the success they made it out to be.
MossGarden wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:19 pm
My guess is none. It seems shortsighted to double down on vactrols in 2024, only to miss out on sales of new modules to an entire continent worth of customers. It’s a huge own goal. Developments have to be made and change is often a driver for new ideas.
Other companies have proved that vactrols are not needed to create wonderful sounding LPG’s, just the right design, done well. My SSG always hit’s the spot, I look forward to hearing more of the DXG and hopefully try one out.
Watch me get proved wrong
Or they could tell the EU to piss off and keep making the instruments they want to make, and not the ones bureaucrats tell them they can make.
I highly doubt anyone on the European Council told Tony to make a stereo LPG
graynoise wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Spotted a black & gold LXD in the video, too. I've only ever seen those in silver so I'm guessing that means the LXD is finally back in production.
I bought a B&G replica panel for LxD from Audio Parasites (look him up on FB if interested)
graynoise wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Spotted a black & gold LXD in the video, too. I've only ever seen those in silver so I'm guessing that means the LXD is finally back in production.
edit: just to be clear, I believe these were silver. MN only makes its silver modules in silver, with sole exceptions for B&G prebuilt systems.
This is not correct. In fact, you can pre-order a black & gold Function individually at some retailers right now for a February delivery.
MikeJett wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:35 pm
This is not correct. In fact, you can pre-order a black & gold Function individually at some retailers right now for a February delivery.
Yknow I almost said "_mostly_ makes it silver modules in silver" but couldn't think of any exceptions. That b&g Function is the only one I can think of though.
It would be incredibly astoundingly hard to make this using NOS vactrols, I would be utterly amazed if they did it and only charge $200 for it. SSG and NG sound excellent, more than adequate, and yet are modeled. It seems we have turned the corner on the situation with vactrols if MN of all makers is doing vactrol-less LPGs.
I mean, it is also possible that they sourced some new ones somehow that would solve the procurement conundrum and have enough spares for matching consistency. Buchla/Tiptop are making new vactrols for example, it can be done. However that would be a big bombshell to drop I think, and if MN had custom in-house vactrols being made I'd kind of think we'd have heard about this by now like in new Optomix or LxDs, or they'd have made a splash about it booting up a new edition of the QMMG. But we'll see.
It would not make sense to use vactrols for this, especially if one wants to have L and R channels that have the same (or close enough) response, in which case matching the vactrols/channels would add to labour and thus price, or that is how I understand it anyway.
Also, they would have to make two different units, like TTA/Buchla have to do with their 292t for the EU/UK...which again is not ideal.
And then there is the elephant in the room that is the non vactrol based LPGs that sound absolutely amazing..."better" (in my ears) sounding than some vactrol based counterparts and much more flexible, because they are not vactrol based.
Anyway, vactrols or not this sounds like the 4 (1mk1 and 3mk2) different Optomix modules I used to own.
Looks like a great LPG for a system with a bunch of stereo signal paths. It seems likely that it’s not a vactrol-based LPG. It’s been a while since I had Dynamix, and if it bears any similarity, it’s one of those modules I regret selling. Hype aside, I also really like the sound of the Natural Gate.
I’m wondering about the stereo part. I frequently patch NG and the Takaab LPG with a multed CV for stereo use. Is this new MN LGP just a bit of convenience for those that deal predominantly with stereo signals in a smaller system, or is there something else going on? One thing I really like about a couple of the stereo filters is that you can offset the L & R channel (Zagrzeb & Ikarie), which you can also easily do when patching 2 LPG channels for a stereo signal. This offset is in CV response, and not filter/frequency response, of course.
nios wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:23 am
It seems we have turned the corner on the situation with vactrols if MN of all makers is doing vactrol-less LPGs.
Do people not remember that MN started this trend with the 0-coast?
closedLoop wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:43 am
One thing I really like about a couple of the stereo filters is that you can offset the L & R channel (Zagrzeb & Ikarie), which you can also easily do when patching 2 LPG channels for a stereo signal. This offset is in CV response, and not filter/frequency response, of course.
Agreed! I really enjoy the way this is implemented with Ikarie
For DXG it looks like the stereo / panning control is handled by other modules in the system.
closedLoop wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:43 am
One thing I really like about a couple of the stereo filters is that you can offset the L & R channel (Zagrzeb & Ikarie), which you can also easily do when patching 2 LPG channels for a stereo signal. This offset is in CV response, and not filter/frequency response, of course.
Agreed! I really enjoy the way this is implemented with Ikarie
For DXG it looks like the stereo / panning control is handled by other modules in the system.
I might be mis-remembering, but I thought I saw something right at the launch that said it used new ROHS compliant vactrols. Can't remember if it was YouTube, Insta, or the Make Noise site.
Regardless, this is a nice option for a smaller skiff. I like the sigma symbol next to the summed outputs. Geeky.
MossGarden wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:19 pm
My guess is none. It seems shortsighted to double down on vactrols in 2024, only to miss out on sales of new modules to an entire continent worth of customers. It’s a huge own goal. Developments have to be made and change is often a driver for new ideas.
Other companies have proved that vactrols are not needed to create wonderful sounding LPG’s, just the right design, done well. My SSG always hit’s the spot, I look forward to hearing more of the DXG and hopefully try one out.
Watch me get proved wrong
Or they could tell the EU to piss off and keep making the instruments they want to make, and not the ones bureaucrats tell them they can make.
I highly doubt anyone on the European Council told Tony to make a stereo LPG
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acuriousbehind wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:47 pm
once i was caught making little sandwiches with hard salami and eucharist wafers and got my hot dog privileges revoked even though the hotdogs were not for free.
MossGarden wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:46 pm
I highly doubt anyone on the European Council told Tony to make a stereo LPG
enzyme00 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:47 pm
I might be mis-remembering, but I thought I saw something right at the launch that said it used new ROHS compliant vactrols.
Expert Sleepers' says the same for their Pandora: quoting their site "The vactrols used in Pandora are compliant with RoHS legislation". But I can't find any more info about what that mean in practice.
Details from Control's email blast about the DXG. Note: vactrol-free.
Details
The Dual Stereo Gate (DXG) music synthesizer module is a Dual Stereo Low Pass Gate and Mixer. It follows in the footsteps of the QMMG, Optomix, RxMx, DynaMix, and LxD. Unlike its predecessors, the DXG is specifically oriented around mixing stereo signals, making it an important addition to any system containing modules like XPO, QPAS, Morphagene, Mimeophon, and other stereo modules by Make Noise or others.
Unique to the DXG is a new low pass gate circuit that does not use vactrols. This circuit is 100% analog and its response was arrived at after many months tailoring it to meet or exceed the expectations that have been set by all the vactrol low pass gates that Make Noise has created over the years.
In the past, Make Noise produced the Dynamix module and Dynamics circuit in the 0-COAST, both of which are vactrolless LPGs; however, the DXG is a completely new approach which better implements the gentle single pole filtering of a low pass gate, while also emulating the slow decay and memory of the vactrol based low pass gate. This new circuit makes possible the consistency of response necessary for versatile stereo use, while also keeping the module small and affordable so that it can be a key part of just about any modular system.
As on all of our low pass gates, the DXG’s Control parameter is used to set both the amplitude and the frequency content of the sound that passes through it. The control parameter tends to open faster than it closes, imparting a subtle decay phase onto any envelope shape that is used to modulate it.
Unlike previous low pass gates made by Make Noise, all the DXG’s inputs and outputs are stereo. Each set of inputs is normalled so that the left input can be used for a mono signal, sending a copy to both left and right outputs. The Auxiliary inputs are also a stereo pair with mono normalization. These normalizations allow for the DXG to be used as a simple three channel stereo mixer, with one or two of the channels additionally being used for dynamics control and note event generation. The Aux inputs can be used to chain together larger decentralized mixes using additional DXG modules, or X-PAN, Optomix, modDemix etc.
Features
- Our first Stereo Low Pass Gate
- Vactrol-free design for classic Low Pass Gate sounds, but with the balance and consistency needed for true Stereo
- Fully Stereo i/o for easy integration into a Stereo-equipped modular synthesizer
- All Left inputs normalled for easy use with Mono signals
- STRIKE INput allows use of Gate signal to trigger Low Pass Gate circuit, creating “plucking" or "pinging" sound from any Gate
- Summing stage with Stereo AUXiliary IN allows for chaining of multiple units, creating larger mixes
- Part of a decentralized mix console integrated throughout the system along with X-PAN, Optomix, XOH, etc.
- Pairs well with XPO, QPAS, Morphagene, Mimeophon, Spectraphon etc.