UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

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UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Toronto_Synthaddict » Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:40 pm

Title says it all- For guys who have played/owned both, which would you advise spending your hard earned cash on?

I'm not suggesting the UDO is directly a Juno clone/competitor in any way BTW, just noticing the prices are very similar... With the Juno 160 actually costing less, and definitely being a better value in terms of potential resale.

Or- Would you say neither, and recommend spending the extra bread for a Juno 60?

I'm mostly interested in one of these for chordal/pads/ambient/comping as I have other synths I love for mono bass/lead sounds... So less concerned with the difference in bass sounds, or I definitely think I'd be looking at the 60 exclusively... Sounds phat to me.

Does the binaural technology beat out the classic analog goodness to your ears? The Udo seems to sound especially sweet in demos to my ears, but so do the Junos when I hear them on recordings... Have yet to hear the Udo on a record!

Any insight would be appreciated!

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Mind Flayer » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:05 pm

Are you referring to a Juno 106, or a Juno 60? Threat title says Juno 160 so I initially thought you were talking about a 106, but later on your post references a Juno 60.

I have a 106, but have never played an UDO, so I unfortunately I can't offer any comparison regardless, but thought it might be worth clarifying so others can help.

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by martino_ » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:08 pm

Love the 160

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:23 pm

the 160 is a rare beast indeed
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by tigerhill » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:27 pm

As a Juno 106 owner who always uses it non-stop on everything I have ever done I think I would be hard-pressed not to recommend it. It just sounds amazing and you know how it sounds so you gotta pick. I think there are a lot of good choices out there for modern classics and the UDO definitely has that awesome interface that you get with the Juno but I am sure it does not sound like it. The one that is the closest is the deep mind so I think that would really be your question if you want a Juno sound.

I will forever love the Juno because it was my first real synth (after the microkorg) and it just works well. It doesn't do everything but it does a lot and it does it really well and so easily. You have patch storage but the thing I love about it is you dial it in as if it doesn't just as easily. Easy peasy.

Also last comment ... I don't think this comparison can be about the value here... one is an old piece that you will have to fix and throw money at ... one costs more up front and will probably need minimal maintenance in the near future. If you want to go by specs the new gear will always win and there is always a cheaper more feature full synth out there aka rev 2 vs prophet 6...

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by advrsry » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:11 am

Toronto_Synthaddict wrote:
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Have yet to hear the Udo on a record!
This is your chance

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by anselmi » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:01 am

Toronto_Synthaddict wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:40 pm
Title says it all- For guys who have played/owned both, which would you advise spending your hard earned cash on?

I'm not suggesting the UDO is directly a Juno clone/competitor in any way BTW, just noticing the prices are very similar... With the Juno 160 actually costing less, and definitely being a better value in terms of potential resale.

Or- Would you say neither, and recommend spending the extra bread for a Juno 60?

I'm mostly interested in one of these for chordal/pads/ambient/comping as I have other synths I love for mono bass/lead sounds... So less concerned with the difference in bass sounds, or I definitely think I'd be looking at the 60 exclusively... Sounds phat to me.

Does the binaural technology beat out the classic analog goodness to your ears? The Udo seems to sound especially sweet in demos to my ears, but so do the Junos when I hear them on recordings... Have yet to hear the Udo on a record!

Any insight would be appreciated!
I´d take the UDO any day...the 60 can sound great but it´s a VERY limited synth with a nice sound
the UDO is very lush and diverse sonicwise, with lots of synthesis resources and a very clean UI
Binaural is great, sounds recording-ready and the analog filters on the UDO sounds gorgeous

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Sir Ruff » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:07 pm

The UDO is essentially a modern Roland poly, sort of a cross between a Juno and a Jupiter-6/8, with a much greater palette than any of them. Unless you only need/want the 5 or 6 sounds the Juno offers, the UDO is a no-brainer.

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Val » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:16 am

Depends if you are looking for an 25 years old overpriced limited synth or a similarly priced but way more modern synth with much more possibilities, still retaining a great (fully stereo) sound, and that have an awesome UI.
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by 3hands » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:54 am

Loved my 106 years ago, but all the patches started to sound the same after a while. YMMV
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by mor4sso » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:58 am

Juno 60 is very lit and will continue to rise in price.

Super 6 is really impressive too, I loved it at NAMM but I have yet to see them in the wild yet

either way, you're getting a dope synth :)

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:12 am

mor4sso wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:58 am
Juno 60 is very lit and will continue to rise in price.

Super 6 is really impressive too, I loved it at NAMM but I have yet to see them in the wild yet

either way, you're getting a dope synth :)
its still unconfirmed if the OP is talking about the 60, 106, or the ever elusive 160 😂
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by mor4sso » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:20 am

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:12 am
mor4sso wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:58 am
Juno 60 is very lit and will continue to rise in price.

Super 6 is really impressive too, I loved it at NAMM but I have yet to see them in the wild yet

either way, you're getting a dope synth :)
its still unconfirmed if the OP is talking about the 60, 106, or the ever elusive 160 😂
lol this is what I was referencing:
Or- Would you say neither, and recommend spending the extra bread for a Juno 60?
personally i feel like the 106 is one of the most overrated synths of all time, but i realize im in the minority there.

the 60 is a different beast :)

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:38 am

mor4sso wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:20 am
personally i feel like the 106 is one of the most overrated synths of all time, but i realize im in the minority there.

the 60 is a different beast :)
i don’t think you’re in the minority. from what I gather, the general consensus is that its the weakest of all the OG Junos. i had one for a little while but didn’t really get much out of it compared to other analog polys I owned at the time. the 106 ha d a great UI by comparison, but had the most stale sound.
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Post by 3hands » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:24 am

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:38 am
mor4sso wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:20 am
personally i feel like the 106 is one of the most overrated synths of all time, but i realize im in the minority there.

the 60 is a different beast :)
i don’t think you’re in the minority. from what I gather, the general consensus is that its the weakest of all the OG Junos. i had one for a little while but didn’t really get much out of it compared to other analog polys I owned at the time. the 106 ha d a great UI by comparison, but had the most stale sound.

Same story here. Once I got the Jupiter 6, it made me realize how meh the 106 is. In fact, I would argue the JX3p is better than the 106 hands down.
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:45 pm

3hands wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:24 am
Same story here. Once I got the Jupiter 6, it made me realize how meh the 106 is. In fact, I would argue the JX3p is better than the 106 hands down.
JX-3P, JX-8P, and the JX-10 are all better IMO. they’re often overlooked because of the data slider / membrane programming if you don’t have their programmer, which at one point costed more than the synths themselves. at least now there are third party options.
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Sir Ruff » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:07 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:45 pm
3hands wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:24 am
Same story here. Once I got the Jupiter 6, it made me realize how meh the 106 is. In fact, I would argue the JX3p is better than the 106 hands down.
JX-3P, JX-8P, and the JX-10 are all better IMO. they’re often overlooked because of the data slider / membrane programming if you don’t have their programmer, which at one point costed more than the synths themselves. at least now there are third party options.
I really feel that the JX-8/10 are the least characterful of all of these. Not useless, no, but certainly not worth what people are charging now--they epitomize to me the phenomenon of "vintage" alone causing a rising price rather than actual sound. There are just so many better options these days (not to mention better contemporaries, DW-8000/ESQ)

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by anselmi » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:45 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:45 pm
3hands wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:24 am
Same story here. Once I got the Jupiter 6, it made me realize how meh the 106 is. In fact, I would argue the JX3p is better than the 106 hands down.
JX-3P, JX-8P, and the JX-10 are all better IMO. they’re often overlooked because of the data slider / membrane programming if you don’t have their programmer, which at one point costed more than the synths themselves. at least now there are third party options.
also the alpha-junos/MKS-50

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by tigerhill » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:14 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:38 am
mor4sso wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:20 am
personally i feel like the 106 is one of the most overrated synths of all time, but i realize im in the minority there.

the 60 is a different beast :)
i don’t think you’re in the minority. from what I gather, the general consensus is that its the weakest of all the OG Junos. i had one for a little while but didn’t really get much out of it compared to other analog polys I owned at the time. the 106 ha d a great UI by comparison, but had the most stale sound.
Consensus consmensus.... I love the Juno 106. Made tons of great music with it and it has been a love piece of gear that I have never been able to sell. Best "spec" you can find is that every time I go to make music I want to touch it and use it because it just sounds cool without doing too much. Is it gonna wow you when you hit one key... nope. Are you gonna have a ton of fun filter sweeping your pads through the chorus... yup. Sound is most certainly not "stale". This debate is endless here and elsewhere. I can't "recommend" the Juno 106 because it isn't a good value or spec'd out but I can say I love it.

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:59 pm

Sir Ruff wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:07 pm
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:45 pm
3hands wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:24 am
Same story here. Once I got the Jupiter 6, it made me realize how meh the 106 is. In fact, I would argue the JX3p is better than the 106 hands down.
JX-3P, JX-8P, and the JX-10 are all better IMO. they’re often overlooked because of the data slider / membrane programming if you don’t have their programmer, which at one point costed more than the synths themselves. at least now there are third party options.
I really feel that the JX-8/10 are the least characterful of all of these. Not useless, no, but certainly not worth what people are charging now--they epitomize to me the phenomenon of "vintage" alone causing a rising price rather than actual sound. There are just so many better options these days (not to mention better contemporaries, DW-8000/ESQ)
JX-8P is THE pad machine. the release hangs like a nice reverb
tail. Im not justifying their current prices by any means though. paying more than $500 for any of them is just nuts, especially with everything else thats out there. and yes, DW-8000 over them all easily.
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:00 pm

anselmi wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:45 pm
also the alpha-junos/MKS-50
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Back Down the Path » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:06 pm

The greatest regret of my life that is appropriate to post on a modular synthesizer forum is selling my Juno 60.

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:07 pm

tigerhill wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:14 pm
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:38 am
mor4sso wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:20 am
personally i feel like the 106 is one of the most overrated synths of all time, but i realize im in the minority there.

the 60 is a different beast :)
i don’t think you’re in the minority. from what I gather, the general consensus is that its the weakest of all the OG Junos. i had one for a little while but didn’t really get much out of it compared to other analog polys I owned at the time. the 106 ha d a great UI by comparison, but had the most stale sound.
Consensus consmensus.... I love the Juno 106. Made tons of great music with it and it has been a love piece of gear that I have never been able to sell. Best "spec" you can find is that every time I go to make music I want to touch it and use it because it just sounds cool without doing too much. Is it gonna wow you when you hit one key... nope. Are you gonna have a ton of fun filter sweeping your pads through the chorus... yup. Sound is most certainly not "stale". This debate is endless here and elsewhere. I can't "recommend" the Juno 106 because it isn't a good value or spec'd out but I can say I love it.
the chorus is great no doubt. im glad they included it as an on-board option for the JU-06A. FWIW, i didnt say it sounded stale in and of itself, i said it sounded stale by comparison to other polys i had at the time.
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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Sir Ruff » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:25 pm

Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:59 pm
JX-8P is THE pad machine. the release hangs like a nice reverb
tail. Im not justifying their current prices by any means though. paying more than $500 for any of them is just nuts, especially with everything else thats out there. and yes, DW-8000 over them all easily.
it’s funny you mention that, I always noticed the same thing on the MKS-80 rev. 5, which uses the same filter.

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Re: UDO vs Juno 160 for $$$?

Post by Red Electric Rainbow » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:35 pm

Sir Ruff wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:25 pm
Red Electric Rainbow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:59 pm
JX-8P is THE pad machine. the release hangs like a nice reverb
tail. Im not justifying their current prices by any means though. paying more than $500 for any of them is just nuts, especially with everything else thats out there. and yes, DW-8000 over them all easily.
it’s funny you mention that, I always noticed the same thing on the MKS-80 rev. 5, which uses the same filter.
do you have the MPG-80 too?
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