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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:01 am

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Paranormal Patroler wrote:My experience has been that most new products allow you to switch between polarities. You should add the mxmxmx C2M module in that list. It allows you to switch Input/Output separately.
oooh - this is a nice module! Do you have one?
Yes, I've been testing it for max. A second one is on the way. It's definitely down my alley :hihi:
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Post by kay_k » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:03 am

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Paranormal Patroler wrote:My experience has been that most new products allow you to switch between polarities. You should add the mxmxmx C2M module in that list. It allows you to switch Input/Output separately.
oooh - this is a nice module! Do you have one?
Yes, I've been testing it for max. A second one is on the way. It's definitely down my alley :hihi:
ordered a PCB/panel set .. plan to use it for triggering chords on my midi synths.

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Post by monads » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:13 am

Few additions to "non-modular"

Twisted Electrons - TherapSid MKII
Twisted Electrons - hapiNES L

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Post by kay_k » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:24 am

monads wrote:Few additions to "non-modular"

Twisted Electrons - TherapSid MKII
Twisted Electrons - hapiNES L
thanks!

also Shakmat Clock o'Pawn

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MIDIXO

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Re: MIDIXO

Post by SOPiiAC » Thu May 30, 2019 9:48 pm

The Expert Sleepers integration is really cool but I think I'd go for the LPZW WK3 over the xo. 5 configurable trs midi outs is amazing and too hard to pass up.

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Post by iheartmodular » Fri May 31, 2019 6:26 am

westlicht per|former has midi too

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Post by kay_k » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:29 am

SOPiiAC wrote:
The Expert Sleepers integration is really cool but I think I'd go for the LPZW WK3 over the xo. 5 configurable trs midi outs is amazing and too hard to pass up.
Thank you!

also .. a simple convertion can be done with a cross over adapter for 2 € as shown in this thread a few pages before.

I am not sure if my WK3 would work as a breakout for Expert Sleepers stuff but the new PCB (not yet for sale) has a I/O on the back (works with my modules and MI Grids for instance) and I am waiting for Os to tell me if it would work with his stuff.

[EDIT:] talked to Os .. WK3 will work as a 5 output port MIDI out for his stuff (leaving the WK3 input defunkt) but not as an input without addional hardware.

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Post by Roni » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:17 am

Update for you - Westlicht Performer is Type A (or Korg, if you like)


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Post by kay_k » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:19 am

Roni wrote:Update for you - Westlicht Performer is Type A (or Korg, if you like)


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cool - thanks!

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Re: MIDIXO

Post by xoxo_modular » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:16 pm

SOPiiAC wrote:
The Expert Sleepers integration is really cool but I think I'd go for the LPZW WK3 over the xo. 5 configurable trs midi outs is amazing and too hard to pass up.
Cool - this is actually the first I'm hearing of the WK3 (it should be in the list at the top of this thread!). I agree that a MIDI in to 5 switchable outputs is a great idea. I think there's room for both of these modules in the world, though. I made MIDIXO to solve 2 specific problems as simply as I could - (1) to convert a single MIDI signal and (2) to be a switchable TRS in/out breakout for disting mk4 (and also FH-2 and General CV). The idea wasn't to make a 1-to-many MIDI-thru, which I'm assuming was the goal of WK3. The things that were important to me were that it was easy to switch back and forth with easy-to-use switches, the idea that you can use it however you want if you enable the disting midi soft thru, and that it was a passive thing that didn't take another spot on my bus board. I think some people want those things, some people want the ability to go from 1 in to 5 outs, some want it all! NBD, these are different needs/wants. In short, it's the usual answer on muffs - buy both! :hyper:

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Post by kay_k » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:37 pm

Welcome to Muffs Rob, your thing makes 100% sense for the ExpertSleepers stuff. Very useful module
One thing that it also does and you haven't mentioned yet is: you can hook it up to Os' official breakout module to have a dual 3.5mm to DIN adapter ;)

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Post by xoxo_modular » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:21 pm

kay_k wrote:Welcome to Muffs Rob, your thing makes 100% sense for the ExpertSleepers stuff. Very useful module
One thing that it also does and you haven't mentioned yet is: you can hook it up to Os' official breakout module to have a dual 3.5mm to DIN adapter ;)
Brilliant. I hadn't even thought of this!

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Post by kay_k » Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:42 am

Organelle 2 and Zoia added..
TRS Midi is getting big

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Organelle M

Post by robduarte » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:30 am

The manual for the Organelle M says that it uses the MIDI TRS Type A spec.

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Re: Organelle M

Post by kay_k » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:41 am

robduarte wrote:The manual for the Organelle M says that it uses the MIDI TRS Type A spec.
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Post by dani » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:55 am

I'm not sure if the original post has the new Midi standard right.

According to the Midi Association it is the KORG way (which is often called the type A on commercial stores)

Tip = 5 (source)

Ring =4 (sink)

Sleeve = 2


CDM also thinks of KORG as the new standard

the OP-Z oplab module uses this (KORG) standard, I tried it with Arturia (Beatstep Pro) adapters and it didn't work until I swapped Ring-Tip


the Expressive E touché uses the Arturia standard

wasn't there anywhere a commercial adapter-cable, that switched between the two configurations? (male-female 3.5 trs cable would be perfect)


here is a lot more information: https://www.midi.org/articles-old/updated-how-to-make-your-own-3-5mm-mini-stereo-trs-to-midi-5-pin-din-cables
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Post by av500 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:09 am

dani wrote:I'm not sure if the original post has the new Midi standard right.

According to the Midi Association it is the KORG way (which is often called the type A on commercial stores)
yes, the "official" MIDI standard is the "type A" KORG way in terms of wiring, but only if you use a 2.5mm jack and plug, so even KORG does not fully adhere to the standard...

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Post by kay_k » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:22 am

oooh shit - cheers folks!
the kind of mistake one makes when not checking something that one believes to have heard some months ago.

btw.. I've also learned that there is indeed another method of implementing auto crossover inputs and is also way more cost sensitive than mine. So I really do not understand why this isn't the standard.

2.5mm jacks might have benn better so ppl wouldn't accidentally mistake it for audio but this ship sailed soooo so long ago.
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Post by av500 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:25 am

kay_k wrote:oooh shit - cheers folks!
the kind of mistake one makes when not checking something that one believes to have heard some months ago.

btw.. I've also learned that there is indeed another method of implementing auto crossover inputs that is way more cost sensitive than mine. So I really do not understand why this isn't the standard.

2.5mm jacks might have benn better so ppl wouldn't accidentally mistake it for audio but this ship sailed soooo so long ago.
if only there were good and reliable Thonki style 2.5mm jacks. until these arrive I will happily use illegal 3.5mm, especially since you can do combined clock/MIDI in and clock/MIDI out jacks...

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Post by Sandrine » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:29 am

I don't much like the "hot tip" type of config because as it's being plugged in, it basically shorts hot, albeit there's a resistor there, to the ground.
Also I you accidentally plug it into an audio input, there's a huge DC click.
Korg is the more popular though so there it is

One thing that peaves me off is manufacturers connecting the ground on MIDI inputs. That makes a ground loop and that line isn't even used!
I have two situations like that in my studio and ended up making ground isolated patches to stop the annoying buzz
1-TC Helicon VoiceLive Touch 2
2-Beatstep pro (well there it can't be helped!)

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:41 am

kay_k wrote:TRS Midi is getting big
Called it! :yay:
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Post by kay_k » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:55 am

Paranormal Patroler wrote:
kay_k wrote:TRS Midi is getting big
Called it! :yay:
well, I was the idiot putting out a TRS only Midi Thru as his second product :mrgreen:

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Post by Paranormal Patroler » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:30 am

kay_k wrote:
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kay_k wrote:TRS Midi is getting big
Called it! :yay:
well, I was the idiot putting out a TRS only Midi Thru as his second product :mrgreen:
:mrgreen: Still waiting for a MIDI merge!
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